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‎Between 957 and 975;

Eadgar 'the Peaceful' of England was recorded as "King of Mercia and Northumbria"

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No. of families2146
Most children13
No. of individuals4595

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woman Helie of Burgundy‏‎
Born ‎± 1080
Died ‎28 Feb 1140/41‎, approximately 60 years

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man William 'Talvas' III of Ponthieu, Count of Ponthieu‏‎ 1) 2) 3) 4)
Died ‎1171 2)

Notes: William succeeded his father as count of Ponthieu some time between 1105 and 1111, when he alone as count made a gift to the abbey of Cluny. His father Robert de Bellême had turned against Henry I on several occasions, had escaped capture at the battle of Tinchebrai in 1106 commanding Duke Robert's rear guard and later, while serving as envoy for King Louis of France, he was arrested by Henry I and imprisoned for life. William was naturally driven by this to oppose King Henry. In June 1119, however, Henry I restored all his father's lands in Normandy. Sometime prior to 1126, William resigned the county of Ponthieu to his son Guy but retained the title of count. In 1135 Henry I again confiscated all his Norman lands to which William responded by joining count Geoffrey of Anjou in his invasion of Normandy after Henry I's death.

William and his sons can all be confirmed through charters at Perseigne Abbey. Perseigne Abbey was founded by William in 1145.

Children:

1.
woman Ela of Ponthieu‏ 3)
Died ‎4 Oct 1174
2.
man Guy II of Ponthieu, Count of Ponthieu‏ 1) 2)
Born ‎± 1120
Died ‎25 Dec 1147‎, approximately 27 years
3.
man John I of Alençon, Count of Alençon‏ 5)
Born ‎± 1120
Died ‎24 Feb 1191‎, approximately 71 years

Notes: Succeeded his father in certain lands in Normandy and Alencon - his grand-nephew succeeding in Ponthieu. He was a supporter of the Perseigne Abbey and the Abbey of Saint- Martin of Troarn. He was succeeded by his son, Hugh. Other children (based on charters at Perseigne) included John, Robert, and William.

Sources

1) Source: The Chronicle of Robert of Torigni "Willelmus Talavacius, comes Sagiensis, et filius ejus Johannes, et item Johannes, nepos ejus, filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi, concesserunt reg Henrico castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabirios, cum eis quae ad ipsa castella pertinent. Et forsitan ideo praedictas munitiones perdiderunt, quia malas consuetudines ipsi et eorum antecessores diu ibi tenuerant ; quas rex Henricus statim meliorari prascepit.". Reference: 1166 (Data from direct source)
2) Source: The Chronicle of Robert of Torigni "Obiit Guillelmus Talavacius, comes Pontivi, et sucessit ei Johannes, nepos suus, in comitatu Pontivi, Guidone primogenito suo. In terra vero quam count of tenebat de rege Anglorum in Normannia et in Cenomannensi pago, successit ei Johannes comes, Alius ejus. Iste duxit filiam comitis Heliae, fratris comitis Gaufridi Andeeavorum et ducis Normannorum.". Reference: 1171 (Data from direct source)
3) Source: The Chronicle of Robert of Torigni "Circa vero octavas Paschse, dolo Pictavensium occisus est comes Patricius, et sepultus est apud Sanctum Hylarium. Successit ei filius, natus ex filia Guillelmi comitis Pontivi, matre comitissas de Warenna.". Reference: 1168 (Data from direct source)
4) Source: Cartulaire De L'abbaye Cistercienne De Perseigne "Ego Johannes filius Willermi comitis Pontivii notum fieri volo presen tibus et futuris nos pro anime predecessorum atque successorum meorumsalute dedisse". Reference: III (Data from direct source)
5) Source: Cartulaire De L'abbaye Cistercienne De Perseigne "Universis presentes literas inspecturis , ego Hamericus, vicecomes de Castro-Heraudi... et privilegiis inclyte recordationis Guillermi quondam comitis Pontivii et Roberti comitis Alenchonis et sagonensis domini predecessorisque et avunculi nostri aliorumque prede cessorum nostrorum continetur que et quas in omnibus approbo et confirmo.". Reference: XIX (Data from secondary evidence)